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Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.13 05:07:00 -
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hey so you know the random name generator when you create a character, right?
if I press it enough I get a name that is similar to some other pubbie bootlicker. can I now be petitioned? can I petition them? will the GMs get mad at me because I sent in a petition based on their new worthless rules?
I'm on page 22 and counting so sorry if this sh-ûtstorm has already been resolved, but damn man |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.13 05:14:00 -
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Ali Aras wrote:La Nariz wrote:22 pages and we still have the same explanation from a couple days ago with more words that don't clarify anything. On the contrary, the new explanation (the one by GM Karidor) lays out the reasoning behind the TOS change and quotes the other policy that the TOS is being brought into line with. It's pretty clear to me now what CCP's views on impersonation are; while the specifics of any particular scheme are a bit fuzzy, I'm content with knowing that as long as I'm not doing something blatantly out there, I won't get instabant. The clarification by GM Karidor sums up quite well everything the CSM has heard in internal conversations. Given the clarification, it's now clear that the TOS change is consistent with previous policy, and confusion about that stems from people's (mis)understanding of previous enforcement. After all, it's easy to go from "recruitment scamming for GSF as a Goon is okay" to "recruitment scamming for GSF as a TEST pilot is okay" without feeling like you've made a leap of logic. This is the stated reason behind the update-- players were confused. With all that said, this thread has made clear that there remains some unhappiness with the policy as written and intended by CCP. This unhappiness has been noted by the CSM, and we can and will follow up on the policy itself. However, that process is a longer one that will take place internally; rioting in this thread is unlikely to be effective. Given the way the CSM process has worked so far and the success we've had in other conversations, I look forward to future productive discussions with CCP, and hope to be able to share results of those in the future.
god shut up |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.13 05:25:00 -
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Ali Aras wrote:contrary to popular belief, large public outcry is largely ineffective in getting anything done.
lol
Ali Aras wrote:I was unaware that posting acknowledging concerns and promising to use the tools at my disposal to work to resolve them constituted a "brush-off". I meant what I said when I said that I'd seen a lot of good come out of the CSM process, more than just "a devblog once in a while". The fact that we work primarily under NDA and outside of the public eye can make it hard to see, especially when our efforts avert a crisis instead of responding to one.
for christ's sake Mittens where are you
save us from this complacent representative |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.13 05:27:00 -
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it's been, what, 4 days? and a few threadnaughts
pretty sure if ccp cared about the opinion of the players and the counsel of the csm that they would have acted by now |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.13 05:28:00 -
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hey do you know what the mittani did when he realized ccp didn't care about the wellbeing of its playerbase and the words of the elected representatives?
he incited a riot |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.13 05:29:00 -
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basically what i'm saying is stop brown-nosing the devs, they won't hire you and it makes you look like a chump |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.13 05:34:00 -
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i'm listening to death grips and i'm feeling very mc ride
"sit in the dark and ponder how i'm fit to make the bottom fall through the floor" |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.13 05:48:00 -
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Alavaria wrote:Dirk Action wrote:basically what i'm saying is stop brown-nosing the devs, they won't hire you and it makes you look like a chump Well, there was that one hire, if you recall. i really wish i could say that was an anomaly or an outlier but... |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:04:00 -
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GM Karidor wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Help me understand this then:
I, Abdiel Kavash, run a legit 3rd party business. Over the years I gain the trust of hundreds and a multibillion empire.
CASE 1: A new character, Joe McScammer, completely unaffiliated with me, decides to make some extra money. Joe McScammer convoes a customer of AbdielCorp and claims to be an alt of Abdiel Kavash. The poor mark falls for it and gives Joe McScammer ISK thinking he's sending it to Abdiel Kavash.
In this case, Joe McScammer is guilty of "[using] the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity", and if petitioned by the unsatisfied customer is prone to getting banned.
CASE 2: I decide that I want to make some extra money off my past customers, without necessarily having to provide any extra services. I create a new character, Phill McScammer, on my account. I then go talk to a past customer of AbdielCorp and I claim that Phill McScammer is an alt of Abdiel Kavash. Customer falls for it, sends me their money and never sees it again.
Since different characters are treated as separate entities, is this judged the same as case 1? Is Phill McScammer prone to getting banned for impersonating Abdiel Kavash? I.e. can I get banned for claiming that Phill McScammer is an alt of Abdiel Kavash?
I suppose you have read my example, so you can answer that yourself as it is pretty much the same thing with different names. Abdiel Kavash wrote: Can I be banned for telling the truth?
Your character Phill McScammer impersonated Abdiel Kavash, the same way as Joe McScammer did, thus gets it from us the same way if reported. From our point of view, as well as from a victims, there is no technical difference between those two cases of a character impersonating another.
god damn
like I can't actually believe that you're saying this.
You are saying, with a straight face, that you using an alt in order to scam someone, *or otherwise represent YOURSELF* on that alt character, is against the rules.
I am like... completely flabbergasted. And angry.
You cite earlier in the thread - and I can't remember where because this entire fu-üking thread is a trainwreck of your team putting their feet in their mouth - that each character is its own representation.
This is r-¦tarded, and let me tell you why. The character doesn't matter in this game, especially with the Character Bazaar being a thing. What matters is the person behind the keyboard. Who are you to say what someone wants to do from within the confines of the game? Why shouldn't someone like Abdiel, or The Mittani, or Chribba himself, be able to decide, "hey this guy has a stupid amount of money, I feel like liberating it from him from this character I am going to claim is my main's alt (which it really is!) because... that's EVE!"
God just get out forever. You have no idea what this game is about, and how you EVER managed to become a GM - and SENIOR GM at that - is a mystery to any sane person; something you clearly aren't. |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:12:00 -
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I do not want to continue giving CCP my 8 accounts worth of money when the fundamental reason for so many players, myself included, to even consider giving EVE a shot - the metagame, the heists, the freedom to do whatever you want within the very fair rules - are turned upside-down on an apparent whim by what I sincerely hope is a case of a Game Masters team gone horribly wrong, and not actually a CCP sanctioned decision. |
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Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:16:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:[
Actually, no.
Try to keep up.
He is not saying that you can't use an alt to scam someone. He is not saying that you can't use an alt to represent yourself. He is saying that if you choose to use an alt to IMPERSONATE yourself in a SCAM then he has to handle that the same way as he handles someone else IMPERSONATING you in a scam.
Why? Because if he treats those two cases differently he is essentially giving out information on player accounts ... specifically by confirming that one character is an alt of another.
GMs need to stay out of legal scams altogether. "Legal scams" meaning ones done entirely through social manipulation, not through illegal, exploitative means such as account hacking.
This brand new policy is completely unprecedented and wrong. Period. |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:18:00 -
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If I use my out-of-alliance alt in order to perform a rental scam, claiming I am Dirk Action and I can sell space in the Drone Regions, and if my mark is too goddamn stupid to actually mail my main (on which I would ABSOLUTELY NOT want to scam on or confirm that it's my alt as it would hurt our business and result in me being kicked from the alliance), and I get their money, then that's too bad for them and the GMs should buzz off. |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:20:00 -
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The punishment of finding a smart mark is that the scam falls through. *The punishment should not be a ban.*
Soundwave help us that this is the GM team we're stuck with. |
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